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[Editor's notes are in square brackets. Texting acronyms are explained the first time they're used.]
[10:00] Flashing Merlin: hi xeno [10:01] Xeno Octavia: hi [10:01] Flashing Merlin: here for the ASCI Meeting? ![]() [10:02] Flashing Merlin: Want to tell me about yourself while we're waiting for more to arrive? [10:02] Xeno Octavia: think so if can figure how to sit : )) [10:03] Xeno Octavia: My self is still landing -- lol ![]() [10:03] Flashing Merlin: hi vesna [10:04] Flashing Merlin: Xeno, we can see you, even if you still look like a cloud to yourself ![]() [10:05] Flashing Merlin: So, would either of you volunteer for a one way trip to Mars? ![]() [10:06] Flashing Merlin: What about you Vesna, Hi NNicole ![]() [10:06] NNicole Resident: hi rezzing ![]() [10:06] Xeno Octavia: Ah what the H ![]() [10:07] Flashing Merlin: Vesna, you like to travel. Would you go to Mars? [10:07] Xeno Octavia: no i look like me to me but cant seem ta sit decently ![]() [10:07] Xeno Octavia: but talk as i read sounds like fun goin ta mars with telapathic baboons riding mammoths !! : )) [10:07] Flashing Merlin: Way to go, Xeno [10:08] Xeno Octavia: lol they cant figure how ta do long trip without at least bones dissolving --i understand [10:09] Flashing Merlin: Many problems, true. Some think it would be easier to do if it were one way. [10:09] Xeno Octavia: easier to die [10:10] Flashing Merlin: Maybe the first question should be, is it a good idea to send any humans to Mars? ![]() [10:10] Xeno Octavia: sounds stupid to me, if done with rockets rather than thru evolving a natural spacefaring species [10:11] Flashing Merlin: Ah, so perhaps we should genetically engineer astronauts to fly there under their own power? [10:12] Xeno Octavia: no memetically start a new healthy species intimate rather 'n alienating [10:14] Flashing Merlin: There's some speculation that the alleged Roswell aliens were genetically engineered for space travel [10:14] Flashing Merlin: memetically, Xeno? [Editor's note: meme - an idea or element of social behaviour passed on through generations in a culture, esp by imitation. introduced by evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins in "The Selfish Gene" (1976), coined by him from Gk. sources, e.g. mimeisthai "to imitate," and intended to echo gene. Collins English Dictionary.] ![]() [10:15] Flashing Merlin: hi athos [10:15] NNicole Resident: hi athos [10:16] Flashing Merlin: We're asking if we would like to go Mars, Athos ![]() [10:16] Athos Cyberstar: Near the end of life would be appropriate. ![]() [10:17] NNicole Resident: i think id rather explore inner space physically than outer space ![]() [10:17] Vesna Vendetta: the real and civilized life is inside the planet [10:17] Flashing Merlin: Yes Athos, many of the volunteers were older [10:17] Flashing Merlin: So Vesna, you would go, but you want to be able to tunnel when you get there? [10:18] Xeno Octavia: yes memetic evolution is next stage ![]() [10:18] Flashing Merlin: Hi Genevieve [10:18] Athos Cyberstar: If you're older,there's not much to lose and the wonder of it all would be a fine way of capping one's life. ![]() [10:18] Genevieve Lordhunter: hi [10:18] NNicole Resident: hi genevieve [10:19] Flashing Merlin: Good points, Athos [10:19] Athos Cyberstar: Hello Genevieve. [10:19] Xeno Octavia: flying pre caskets [10:19] Flashing Merlin: Please tell us about memetic evolution, Xeno [10:20] Athos Cyberstar: Of course there's always LSD. ![]() [10:20] Xeno Octavia: genotypes >>phenotypes>>memotypes [Editor's note: Genotype is the genetic blueprint for an organism. Phenotype is the organism expressed by the genotype. Memotype would be the learned mental constructs which govern the organism's behavior, but they aren't determined by the phenotype the way the phenotype is determined by the genotype. Memes are slowly learned through socialization or acculturation.] [10:21] Xeno Octavia: its a flow, LSD a forespice but need do it for real [10:21] Athos Cyberstar: Sasafrass. [10:22] Flashing Merlin: Vesna, did Vedic mystics claim to reach Mars without needing LSD? [Editor's note: The Vedic idea of astral projection meant leaving the physical body to travel on other planes, such as the astrological plane.] [10:22] Xeno Octavia: we need species evolution in any case to a societal species [10:22] Vesna Vendetta: no [10:22] Flashing Merlin: Do tell, Xeno ![]() [10:22] Xeno Octavia: our species is self-destructive --alienating [10:23] Vesna Vendetta: maybe some other halucinogen [10:23] Xeno Octavia: ants more evolved societally than us --outer body [10:24] Flashing Merlin: Vesna, your mic is open [10:24] Xeno Octavia: but our inner body more evolved -societally - than ants hive [10:24] Vesna Vendetta: so [10:24] Athos Cyberstar is Offline [10:25] Xeno Octavia: so if ants bees shrimp can evolve societally why can't humans [10:25] Flashing Merlin: OK Xeno, how do you get from the phenotype to the memotype? ![]() [10:26] Genevieve Lordhunter: have humans ever changed? [10:27] Xeno Octavia: when socios talked of our social being like our bodies they figured each individual like a cell in body --which would not work since individuals are more like atoms and we havent even coherant molecules yet [10:27] Flashing Merlin: You mean aside from evolving from apes, Genevieve? [10:27] Genevieve Lordhunter: right flashing, I see by the comments there is an idea we no longer procreate as we always have [10:27] Xeno Octavia: we didnt evolve from apes we have common ancester [10:28] Flashing Merlin: OK, true Xeno [10:28] Genevieve Lordhunter: in 6000 years of recorded history humans are exactly the same, but the story is different [10:28] Flashing Merlin: Actually we're taller, and live longer today Geneieve [10:29] Genevieve Lordhunter: I am no different a woman than a woman that lived 6000 years ago biologically speaking [10:29] Xeno Octavia: so if we start molecules then bring them to larger groupings and each molecule is an individual as are the atoms within it we are at a start ![]() [10:29] Genevieve Lordhunter: procreation is still and always will be the same [10:29] Flashing Merlin: Xeno your idea of memotypes is interesting, but how do we do that? [10:29] Xeno Octavia: what is pro creation [10:30] Genevieve Lordhunter: we are finding in test tube kids, when they are grown they are sterile that would be a CHANGE [10:30] Genevieve Lordhunter: because we removed the fish race [10:30] Genevieve Lordhunter: survival of the fittest in the nature of the species [10:31] Genevieve Lordhunter: same problem when we moved earth around rivers, it killed the fish [10:31] Xeno Octavia: we do it all the time --just they are alienating in our species --we need design and live new ones --i can pass u a note --i think i have one it starts with 1st molecule group of 3 twos are ping pong [10:31] Genevieve Lordhunter: we did not know they traveled up stream by scent so we changed the order [10:32] Xeno Octavia gave you triadic communication. [10:33] Xeno Octavia: Caro !!! ![]() [10:33] Caro Oceanlane: hi, everyone, sorry i'm late... [10:33] NNicole Resident: hi caro [10:34] Flashing Merlin: OK. speaking of affecting other species, what do we think about baboons turning to a life of crime? [10:34] Vesna Vendetta: haha [10:35] Flashing Merlin: Baboons in SA follow people home from the market and mug them for their groceries. [10:35] Caro Oceanlane: are they evolving? [10:35] Xeno Octavia: does make them human, huh!! [10:35] Flashing Merlin: Good question Xeno, is it a sign of evolution? ![]() [10:36] Caro Oceanlane: reflects intelligence, right? [10:36] Genevieve Lordhunter: the Morgan horse is only 100 years old [10:36] Caro Oceanlane: they don't know about laws... [10:36] Genevieve Lordhunter: it was a defective offspring, but ended up being a new species [10:37] Xeno Octavia: it's a sign they not criminals --just baboons trying to survive [10:37] Genevieve Lordhunter: that would be a true evolution [10:37] Flashing Merlin: Yes Caro, primates are quite intelligent, even use tools ![]() [10:37] Genevieve Lordhunter: animals merely react to their surroundings and environment based on instinct [10:37] Caro Oceanlane: so in this case, the tools are the humans, who provide them with a source of food... [10:37] Xeno Octavia: they found the best tangerine tree --it a new species sweeter juicier [10:38] Flashing Merlin: I'm sure the baboons don't see themselves as criminals, but the people who get mugged do [10:38] Genevieve Lordhunter: animals will return to the same spot they found food [10:38] Caro Oceanlane: sure, if it worked once, it might work again... [10:38] Genevieve Lordhunter: animals can also trace their steps which humans have difficulty doing [10:39] Flashing Merlin: The baboons also break into apartments by breaking a window, then head for the frig [10:39] Genevieve Lordhunter: in training a horse when it makes a few bad steps I go in reverse to untrain it . .so to speak [10:39] NNicole Resident: trace their steps ? [10:39] Xeno Octavia: is like the Barbarian invaders of South America destroying native civilizations [10:39] Caro Oceanlane: i think they're more in tuned with energy fields... [10:39] Genevieve Lordhunter: seen in the kids story of Hansel and Gretal [10:40] Genevieve Lordhunter: dropping bread crumbs to find their way back, animals don't need bread crumbs they travel on scent and are actually able to trace their steps precisely, this is proven [10:40] Genevieve Lordhunter: blind horses do not need eyes [10:40] Genevieve Lordhunter: to see [10:40] Xeno Octavia: animals natively smart enuf --not want evolve like humans [10:40] NNicole Resident: humans can do it too... older inuit travel without aid of compass to places FAR away. at any given point on the path they can accurately point to where they are going [10:40] Genevieve Lordhunter: animals have no ego [10:40] Genevieve Lordhunter: humans do [10:40] Flashing Merlin: All true Genevieve, do you want to retrain the baboons? [10:41] NNicole Resident: animals have ego, just hang out with a cat [10:41] Genevieve Lordhunter: you can't change the nature of the baboon you can only change the environment they live in [10:41] Xeno Octavia: ego is human trash --but animals certainly have equivalent [10:41] Genevieve Lordhunter: ego is identification with form [10:41] Genevieve Lordhunter: animals do not decorate, laugh, or drive cars, or care about the latest fashion trends [10:42] Xeno Octavia: move em to manhattan --if dress em no one notice [10:42] Caro Oceanlane: woah, xeno, human trash!! i think it's okay to be an individual... [10:42] Caro Oceanlane: funny! ![]() [10:42] Xeno Octavia: i mean human ego not human self [10:42] NNicole Resident: animals do in fact have a sense of humour and do in fact feel emotions [10:42] Genevieve Lordhunter: if a cat had an ego it would go live in a nicer home than the one you have . . smiles [10:42] Xeno Octavia: yups [10:42] Caro Oceanlane: so ego is negative? can one have a positive ego? [10:42] NNicole Resident: they also have jealousies anger love you name it [10:42] Flashing Merlin: birds feather their nests Genevieve, isn't that decorating? [10:43] Genevieve Lordhunter: ego is purely human for words [10:43] Genevieve Lordhunter: humans are the only species that can speak [10:43] Xeno Octavia: cat ego fine with owning human and the house they build [10:43] NNicole Resident: not true at all actually [10:43] Caro Oceanlane: genevieve, animals can communicate just fine... [10:43] NNicole Resident: malamutes and huskies can speak human words AND know what they mean [10:43] NNicole Resident: not just a few words either i know this for a fact we had them growing up [10:44] Xeno Octavia: lol funny Gen, how u know av [avatar] not dog faking being human in SL [10:44] Flashing Merlin: Have to agree with NNicole, many animals communicate with sounds [10:44] Genevieve Lordhunter: will your pet go to work and do your job for you because it desires a paycheck? [10:44] Genevieve Lordhunter: 2 horses in a barn, one for 800 and the other for 25,000, does the animal care? NOPE [10:44] NNicole Resident: my malamute can pull a sled which takes tourists thru the forest ... so yes its earning its keep [10:44] Flashing Merlin: Sheep herding dogs probably consider their food a paycheck, no? [10:45] Xeno Octavia: no its not humanly stupid -- they may talk humans --but still think must have job to live [10:45] Genevieve Lordhunter: ego = identification with Form ![]() [10:45] NNicole Resident: i wouldnt be so narrow in my definitions [10:45] Genevieve Lordhunter: man will mate with beast, but a cow won't try to mate a pig [10:45] NNicole Resident: i spent a LOT of time in the forest having grown up in a VERY remote place [10:46] Flashing Merlin: There was a story of a moose and cow romance [10:46] NNicole Resident: animals are a lot smarter communicative and able to evolve thru learning than human arrogence gives credit [10:46] Genevieve Lordhunter: humans apply human stories to instinct - doesn't make the story true [10:46] Flashing Merlin: Have to agree with NNicole on that [10:46] Xeno Octavia: human arrogance part of their alienation [10:46] NNicole Resident: dolphins have been known to willingly mate with humans [10:46] Genevieve Lordhunter: a female dog rejects the male dog if not in heat- consistently, no LOVE [10:47] Flashing Merlin: Were baboons learning to burglar apartments just instinct? [10:47] Genevieve Lordhunter: female animals do not engage in sex for love, they engage in it due to instinct [10:47] Xeno Octavia: i dont think any other animal might even volunteer for mars [10:47] Genevieve Lordhunter: flashing it was just using it's senses to find food [10:48] Xeno Octavia: humans tooooooo Gen [10:48] Xeno Octavia: they rationalize love [10:48] Caro Oceanlane: but a dog and a monkey were among the first sent to space.. [10:48] Xeno Octavia: sent --not volunteerd [10:48] Flashing Merlin: They didn't volunteer, Caro! [10:48] Caro Oceanlane: i know... ![]() [10:48] Genevieve Lordhunter: a human woman will not consistently engage in sex purely to procreate, she requires LOVE [10:49] NNicole Resident: lol please [10:49] Xeno Octavia: sorry BS Gen [10:49] NNicole Resident: i fuck for the fun of it to be blunt [10:49] NNicole Resident: no love required [10:49] Xeno Octavia: 'love' gets in the way ! [10:49] Genevieve Lordhunter: Nikki yes many do - but if that human told you your ugly and I hate your guts would you ? [10:50] Genevieve Lordhunter: Nikki do you not have a preference? [10:50] NNicole Resident: im bi rl [I'm bi-sexual in real life.] [10:50] Genevieve Lordhunter: Nikki shall we remove rape as a crime? [10:50] Xeno Octavia: sure really F em then [10:50] Genevieve Lordhunter: Nikki still your selecting using our ego [10:50] NNicole Resident: what does rape have to do with sex for pleasure ? [10:50] Genevieve Lordhunter: a female dog is never raped [10:50] NNicole Resident: having been sexually abused/raped rl [in real life] that one interests me ... your response [10:50] Genevieve Lordhunter: it accepts all the male dogs when in heat [10:50] Caro Oceanlane: some animals choose mates for life [10:50] Genevieve Lordhunter: do you accept all the male men ? [10:51] Genevieve Lordhunter: if you select your using the brain chemical high of LOVE www.helenfisher.com ![]() [10:51] NNicole Resident: i dont accept all men or women for that matter doesnt mean im in love with the ones i accept [10:51] Xeno Octavia: thought is ex pref bio not ego [10:51] NNicole Resident: in fact ive never been in love [10:51] Genevieve Lordhunter: Nikki you're high [10:52] NNicole Resident: high ? [10:52] Genevieve Lordhunter: your brain is feeling a chemical that makes you want to engage on a personal preference based on your personal attraction process that ALL have [10:52] Genevieve Lordhunter: it's not real [10:52] NNicole Resident: uhuh [10:52] Genevieve Lordhunter: Nikki yes I understand [10:52] NNicole Resident: do you ? [10:52] NNicole Resident: cos im not sure you do [10:52] Xeno Octavia: what about telepathy [10:52] Genevieve Lordhunter: women are easily trained to go into the sex trance of chemical delusion [10:53] Genevieve Lordhunter: history has many many stories of this kind [10:53] NNicole Resident: humans period are easy to train [10:53] Genevieve Lordhunter: yes Nikki so environment is all [10:53] Xeno Octavia: sorry Gen thats this sick species of human [10:53] Flashing Merlin: OK, on telepathy, the next topic is do we believe in ESP? [10:53] Genevieve Lordhunter: if women lived in a village alone, there would be no sex laughs [10:53] Caro Oceanlane: thanks, flashing.. good choice.... yes I believe in ESP [10:53] Genevieve Lordhunter: they would be clueless to what a penis is [10:54] Genevieve Lordhunter: what it's for [10:54] Genevieve Lordhunter: as the gspot is silent [10:54] Flashing Merlin: A study that supports ESP is being attacted by many scientists [10:54] Genevieve Lordhunter: we have radar through the electromagnetic field ![]() [10:54] Genevieve Lordhunter: this is obvious in how a female human selects whom she will engage in intmacy with, I have a link [10:55] Flashing Merlin: Those scientists say ESP couldn't be true so the study must be flawed. What do we think? [10:55] Caro Oceanlane: is it scientific to decide what the results of your experiment is before you start it? [10:55] Genevieve Lordhunter: ATTRACTION Isn't A Choice. www.helenfisher.com [10:56] Xeno Octavia: actually i think they said the study was flawed because of how done [10:56] Xeno Octavia: read about in new scientist or Sci Am [10:56] Caro Oceanlane: i mean, radio waves are still kind of a mystery to me, lol... why cant' there be other "waves" out there we just haven't detected yet? [10:57] Genevieve Lordhunter: Dr Kinsey the father of the sexual revoluton ended the idea of monogamy, but he didn't follow the human female birth to death, and was clueless to her negativity receptor brain function [10:57] Flashing Merlin: actually many worked backwards, assuming it had to be badly done because of the result [10:57] Xeno Octavia: ppl [people] have been telepathing thru the centuries [10:57] Genevieve Lordhunter: http://bit.ly/ergYKG [10:58] Flashing Merlin: Yes, the Oracle at Delphi, for example [10:58] Genevieve Lordhunter: ok read my mind now lol ![]() [10:58] NNicole Resident: our shamans could have been said to follow a form of telepathy/esp [10:59] Flashing Merlin: agreed NNicole [10:59] Genevieve Lordhunter: perhaps that would more better called awareness [10:59] Xeno Octavia: ur mind too cluttered scientifically-delusionally : ) to read [11:00] Genevieve Lordhunter: we are predictable [11:00] Xeno Octavia: who ever told u that --read the drunkards walk [11:00] NNicole Resident: i am part coast salish ... in historical times our shamans communed with the spirits of animals for guidance/healings/ w/e else sadly most of this has been lost [11:00] Caro Oceanlane: i think too often we project our own thoughts into others' minds.. [11:00] Genevieve Lordhunter: dysfunction in thought doesn't change the species [11:01] Xeno Octavia: thats called mind-writing --is very common [11:01] Caro Oceanlane: changing in beliefs can though... just a thought... [11:01] Genevieve Lordhunter: I can't shut my hearing off [11:01] Genevieve Lordhunter: with a thought [11:01] Xeno Octavia: some can [11:01] Caro Oceanlane: hearing the sounds or translating them in your head to bring meaning to them? [11:01] Genevieve Lordhunter: I can't stop paying attention, plug my ears, go away from the noise, but my hearing will always consistently be ON ![]() [11:02] Caro Oceanlane: i learned to focus in college dorm -- too much going on aroudn me and too much work to do :-) [11:02] Genevieve Lordhunter: Caro hmm yes my brain's translation isn't the sound [11:02] Xeno Octavia: interpretation --better than translation [11:03] Flashing Merlin: Some Buddhist meditation aims to turn off the conscious mind, doesn't it Vesna? [11:03] NNicole Resident: shes away [11:03] Genevieve Lordhunter: that is impossible without drugs [11:03] Xeno Octavia: actully turning on conscious mind --turning off ego interrupts [11:03] Genevieve Lordhunter: because your mind is a reflection of the awareness - two [11:04] NNicole Resident: impossible is a funny thing ... ill tell you a short story to make my point [11:04] Xeno Octavia: ???? [11:04] Genevieve Lordhunter: no one can divide it at that level can't be seperated [11:04] Vesna Vendetta: oh sorry [11:04] Vesna Vendetta: no [11:05] Vesna Vendetta: no turning off of conscious mind [11:05] Flashing Merlin: All very interesting. We're at the end of our time, final question: is cloning a wooly mammoth a good idea? [11:05] NNicole Resident: in vancouver there is a steam clock. tons of tourists go see it, its cool. the guy who made it did admit it was pretty hard. funny thing about steam clocks. had he asked anyone who was an "expert" about it at the time he would have been told making a steam clock that keeps *accurate* time is impossible. good thing he didnt know that when he made his accurately time keeping steam clock. funny what we can do when we dont know its impossible [11:06] Vesna Vendetta: turning off trash thinking [11:06] Flashing Merlin: Do tell Vesna [11:06] Xeno Octavia: yes Vesna exactly [11:07] Vesna Vendetta: tell what [11:07] Vesna Vendetta: ? ![]() [11:07] Xeno Octavia: can they clone a midget mini mammy [11:07] Flashing Merlin: about meditation Vesna [11:07] Genevieve Lordhunter: Nikki that is just a story because the clock is an object - man has made nothing except to use what already exists [11:08] NNicole Resident: o.0 [11:08] Vesna Vendetta: our mind lives in ignorant state of art [11:08] NNicole Resident: interesting ... so steam clocks cars space ships buildings have ALWAYS exists [11:08] Vesna Vendetta: you have to turn it around [11:09] Xeno Octavia: kool TY [thank you] [11:09] Genevieve Lordhunter: Nikki name one thing man created that was not used from something already here? if you can [11:09] Genevieve Lordhunter: all the parts of the clock were already here [11:09] NNicole Resident: really ? where ? [11:09] Genevieve Lordhunter: just arranged to become a clock [11:09] Genevieve Lordhunter: can you make it rain? ![]() [11:09] Caro Oceanlane: genevieve, would you say then that man "discovers" new uses as opposed to creates? [11:09] Xeno Octavia: then the clock could have put itself together --man unnecessary?? [11:09] NNicole Resident: i think being so deliberately narrow in definitions isnt the best way to be [11:09] Genevieve Lordhunter: can you make dirt? [11:09] Genevieve Lordhunter: giggles no [11:10] Genevieve Lordhunter: ego is identification with form, I AM THE CLOCK [11:10] Genevieve Lordhunter: but your not the clock [11:10] Flashing Merlin: Genevieve, some new elements were created by physicists ![]() [11:10] Xeno Octavia: i make dirt allover my house [11:10] Genevieve Lordhunter: all is discovered [11:10] Genevieve Lordhunter: nothing new [11:10] Xeno Octavia: ask my friends and neighbors [11:10] NNicole Resident: lol zen o [11:10] NNicole Resident: opps [11:10] NNicole Resident: xeno* [11:10] Genevieve Lordhunter: inventions are made from matericals already here [11:10] Genevieve Lordhunter: no new water all recycled [11:11] Genevieve Lordhunter: the same water you drink all have drank but I can alter that water and make juice did I invent water? Nope [11:11] Xeno Octavia: Gen too too clutered i once invented water [11:12] Genevieve Lordhunter: two couples mate, one produces offspring the other doesn't who created ? who didn't ? who could control it lol [11:12] Flashing Merlin: If you add H2 and O2 and get H2O [+ H], that isn't new water? [11:12] Genevieve Lordhunter: we are in the story we create - can't prove you created metal [11:12] NNicole Resident: actually as flashing said physicists HAVE created new atoms ![]() [11:12] Caro Oceanlane: so gene do you believe that god works through all mankind to effect these discoveries? [11:12] Genevieve Lordhunter: ingredients you didn't create already here [11:13] Flashing Merlin: OK, guess no one cares about cloning wooly mammoths. Our time is up, any last thoughts? [11:13] Genevieve Lordhunter: the morgan horse evolved to a new species, unique gated horse, but nonetheless no one created it - nature evolved it [11:13] Vesna Vendetta: i can only say wow [11:14] Genevieve Lordhunter: it's still just a horse [11:14] Xeno Octavia: yes man invented God many times over ![]() [11:14] Caro Oceanlane: can we save it for next time? might be fun to see how it could spiral out of control pretty fast, a la jurassic park... [11:14] Vesna Vendetta: this is so interesting [11:14] Vesna Vendetta: wow [11:14] Genevieve Lordhunter: Xeno man invented a story of a god yes - God is already what you are and no one can leave it - welcome to the Hotel California . .smiles [11:14] Vesna Vendetta: thank you [11:14] Caro Oceanlane: i'll try to get here on time, sorry i was late... thanks for hosting flashing... [11:15] Genevieve Lordhunter: have a nice day [11:15] NNicole Resident: you too ![]() [11:15] Flashing Merlin: my pleasure, thank you all for coming! [11:16] Xeno Octavia: i got liddle dragons at home [11:16] Caro Oceanlane: time to feed them? [11:16] NNicole Resident: are those those breedable ones ? [11:17] Xeno Octavia: yes was quite kool TY Flash [11:18] Flashing Merlin: I have to run to a rl appointment. Was a great meeting. Bye all! [11:18] Caro Oceanlane: bye! [11:18] Xeno Octavia: nah gotta box another egg they breed [11:18] NNicole Resident: take care everyone [11:18] Caro Oceanlane: you, too, nic! ![]() |
1.30.2011 ASCI Topics500 volunteered for one-way trip to Mars, would you go? http://journalofcosmology.com/Mars108.html
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Triadic Communication |
a practice for transforming conventional communication based
on fantasy, obligation, and assumed understanding into
an intimate presencing based in authenticity,
awareness, and assured exchange of meaning.
Triadic Communication
Requires deep exploration of meaning examining language assumptions
and achieving assured communication.
Provides a third viewpoint that opens interactions to new possibilities
Minimizes negative dynamics of dualistic assumptions that can interfere
with really hearing what others are saying.
Establishes a foundation for development and exploration of aware,
intimate, evolutionary community.
Triadic Communication as a practice is designed to increase awareness
and depth of communication.
Its basic requirement is a willingness and intent to assure communication
rather than assume it.
To increase our awareness and experience with assured communication,
we must be willing to let go of our habitual assumptions
about the process of communication.
When we communicate with someone to whom English is a second language,
we tend to take care to make sure there is understanding;
but when English is the primary language we tend to assume
the meanings attached to the words of others are the same as ours.
This is rarely true beyond the most simple usage.
Triadic Communication allows the exploration of our
individual language assumptions, with the aim of
achieving mutually agreed understandings in meaning
and usage of language.
This is accomplished by examining assumed meaning within
the increased awareness which a group of three affords.
The Basic Form of the Triadic Communication Practice
The Triad, as a basic communication unit, consists of three
individuals meeting for about one to two hours,
During each person's turn, or focus, they express an interest
and/or problem, which is heard and "fed back" without
interpretation or reaction by each of the two listeners
until the speaker agrees they have been correctly heard.
With this basic assurance, each listener may then share
their own feelings, interpretations, perceptions or intuitions.
Why Triadic?
The triadic form provides a space where hidden and unheard
material can be clarified not only to others, but to oneself.
This expanded reflection allows a loosening and even a freeing
from previous role functions.
This process moves into exploration of self as individual
and as atom in the group molecule . . .
moveing into an exploration of the group's collective
identity and archetype.
This process has vast potential for changing one's life,
not only on the individual but on the collective level.
Triadic Communication opens the consciousness and awareness
of the group as a whole.
It offers a group consciousness experience in a triad, which as
the smallest group sets a model for doing larger groups.
However, these are just words on a page.
To really understand it, one has to do the practice itself.
Who should try Triadic Communication Practice? . . .why?
Anyone, individuals or groups, who wants to move towards greater
intensity, freedom and creativity in their lives.
Recognizing life is "a game," and the source of the game is culture,
we may see how we are controlled by rules of this cultural game.
The Triadic Practice's immediate aim is to bring to awareness
the rules we are playing by already;
to learn alternate sets of rules;
and to prepare to play alternate games by our own choice.
This begins a process and support for deconstructing unwanted roles
and implementing positive and desired ones.
In Triads we come to this awareness in societal group,
not just individually.
First we operate at the level of our common qualities and interests.
We actively explore good worldly interactions.
Then moving towards authenticity, we are still operating
within the grooves the culture provides.
But awareness starts to distinguish authenticity
from the conventional games we play.
Triadic Communication is also part of the early developmental stage
of building aware community.
Habitual ways of communicating need replacement.
We can set up different ways of sharing.
Start developing a community body that is real.
Allow enough real acceptance so that energy can actually move
between the individual bodies.
Then you have not just people you are compatible with,
but people you are free to be.
We're ultimately talking about species evolution:
taking members of this species, and making available
the opportunity to awarely evolve into societal organism.
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